7.65 French Long.

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Re: 7.65 French Long.

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Loaded up 250 Starline brass cartridges and this is the fit in a 1935A barrel.The First shown is a military, original French cartridge, second is a Steinel cartridge with the copper tip, and third is my reload with Starline brass and pulled French bullet and powder. OAL is 1.180, primer, CCI small pistol primer, crimped with a modified Lee 30 Luger crimp pistol die. CH4D die set
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Original French steel case ammunition for fit, .309 bullet with a OAL of 1.191 with 77 grain FMJ
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Re: 7.65 French Long.

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STEINEL FACTORY AMMO
Steinel cartridge for fit in the 1935 A barrel. OAL is 1.185 Starline brass with .308 carbine bullet-110 grain weight
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RELOADS
My reload with original pulled components with Starline brass OAL 1.180inch, .309 original bullet with a 77 grain weight. This was tested and all go Kaboom. CCI small pistol primers are a little harder than Winchester. They fire off fine, but have less of a primer strike depth than observed on Winchester small pistol primers.
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Re: 7.65 French Long.

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My next reloads will be with components Tuna recommends: "I have been using the Hornady .309 diameter XTP 90 gr. with 3.5 to 3.8 grs of Unique." I am going to use Winchester small pistol primers. I want to see how the Xtp .309 bullets feed.
:cry: labor day update: it seems XTP bullets and small pistol primers are gone, nothing to be found. No ammo, no primers, no bullets for pistols. :violin:
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Re: 7.65 French Long.

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Anyone do some reloads with the new brass?
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Re: 7.65 French Long.

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72 usmc, I finally settled on the 3.5 gr. Unique, 90 gr HP combo. It is just so very consistent in my 1935S. Right now bullets, primers and of course powder made it hard to get out and enjoy shooting.
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I was out of primers, but an old forum buddy Timbuktu drove a hour to drop off a sleeve of 1000 CCI pistol primers and I had ordered some more Starline brass a few months ago when it came back in stock. How is that for a friend and luck. When he got them they were $32 per a sleeve. And he would not take any cash - a gift since he did not need them. Some days are just good. :dance: :dance: :clap: :D
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I am having an interesting discussion on gun boards about .32 french long, there is some interesting information and new pictures as well as links to old posts about BuffaloArms brass, Old Western Scrounger brass and Starline brass.
see this link for that discussion :clap: :
https://www.gunboards.com/threads/reloa ... t-10682013

all 4 pages of GB post saved on the Wayback june 2021
P4 https://web.archive.org/web/20210627211 ... 522/page-4
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Re: 7.65 French Long.

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Video French long brass case taken down. I have not seen original brass case .32 French Long. What I find is mostly steel case. And it will not go bang- dead primers.
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Researching 7.62 French long pistol ammo for reloading by kobo 49 11 Nov 2020
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1Wn6-cYBE0


Hint: with todays lack of primers and bullets Steinel ammo .32 French Long is the easy way. Sure fire, save the Starline case, then reload that when components become available. The steinel ammo is 110gr bullet.
STEINEL:
https://www.all4shooters.com/en/shootin ... -revolver/
Steinel Ammo cartridges: 7.65x20 French Long
Let's start with the 7.65x20 Longue cartridge, also known as 7.65mm MAS or .32 French Long.

The 7.65x20mm Long cartridges
© Oleg Volk
The 7.65x20mm Long, also known as the 7.65mm MAS, was a French army service cartridge from 1918 to 1960.
Despite its “French” name, the cartridge was actually designed in the USA in 1917 for use in conjunction with the Pedersen device, which allowed the Springfield 1903 bolt-action rifle to be transformed into a semi-automatic weapon on the battlefield, albeit with a shorter range and lower power. The end of the conflict set the promising project aside and led the US military to attempt to fob off the Pedersen device on some allied powers. In 1918 a demonstration was organized in Le Mans, France, in which many senior officers including General Pershing participated, during which the Pedersen device proved its effectiveness, but in the end nothing came of it. Only its cartridge would be adopted by France, to be used both in the SACM 1935 A and MAS 1935S pistols and in the MAS 38 submachine gun. It must be said that some sources consider the 7.65 MAS an independent French project, identical to the American caliber only by coincidence. The fact is that this cartridge remained in French service until the 1960s. The original cartridge propelled a 77-grain bullet at a muzzle velocity of 345 meters per second, with an energy of 298 joules. But we come now to the Steinel cartridge: based on a Starline case, it pushes a 110-grain copper-plated lead bullet at a muzzle velocity of 1000 fps (304 m/s) with an energy of 330 joules
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