The Model 1924b Yugoslavian Mauser rifle

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The Model 1924b Yugoslavian Mauser rifle

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I was asked to make a post on this sub-variant of Yugoslav Mausers and realized that the background to these can spider-web off into many other directions, so bear with me...

Following the cessation of hostilities in WWI and the enforcement of the terms of the Treaty of Versailles (primarily arms reductions and limitations) in 1919, there was a large influx of available small arms and crew-served weapons on the international market. Newly independent and break-away countries like Poland, Finland, and the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes began to search for arms to equip their new armies and safeguard their independence. Germany was the best equipped country placed under the onerous terms of the treaty, and found itself in a position of having to liquidate stocks of arms. As such, the primary rifle, the Gewehr 98, became widely available worldwide.

While already a 'Mauser nation,' the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes (and the succeeding Kingdom of Yugoslavia) set about standardizing their rifle stores on the Model 1924 pattern starting in the very late 1920's. Mausers of widely varying types and even Model 1895 Mannlichers were shortened and updated to 7.92X57mm chambering and equipped with appropriate front and rear sight assemblies to accommodate the exterior ballistics of the newly adopted cartridge. The Gewehr 98s acquired went through the same process and were designated as 'Model 1924b' rifles. They used original Gewehr 98 stocks, barrel bands, trigger guards, floor plates and butt plates, and were stamped with new serial numbers that were originally matched on the right side of the receiver, the top of the bolt flat and the left side of the butt stock. Older German serial numbers and inspection stamps were left intact, including on the barrel bands and lower metal parts. These joined the growing stocks of original domestic production rifles and other converted types.

The top example (non-captured) in the photo of two rifles matches the pattern seen in serial numbering on other M1924b rifles. The three main components have the same number, while other parts retain their original WWI German numbers and stamps:
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Re: The Model 1924b Yugoslavian Mauser rifle

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The original stamps on the butt stock and bolt were retained where they did not interfere with the application of new ones-
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Re: The Model 1924b Yugoslavian Mauser rifle

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Like all arms in the country at the time of the April 1941 invasion, the Model 1924b rifles were seized by German forces and integrated into the depot and supply system as Beutewaffen, or captured arms. I summarized this process in Post #1 of this thread:
http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/viewto ... =25&t=4072

My German captured/modified example is the lower of the two rifles shown above, and has an original Yugoslav sling. Following the typical indicators of German captured and modified rifles, this one has a blued bolt, matching numbered smaller components and a modified magazine follower. Note how a combination of stamped and acid etched numbers were used, depending on the part and availability of surface.
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Re: The Model 1924b Yugoslavian Mauser rifle

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More photos of German numbered parts. The Germans also numbered the butt plate to match, but failing light kept me from being able to get a decent photo of it.
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Re: The Model 1924b Yugoslavian Mauser rifle

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Surviving, pre-war Yugoslav slings are rare, so I was thrilled when I was able to get this rifle and the sling together. They're very unlike most other military slings, using a small steel keeper (instead of a button or tension buckle) and a sewn leather slider.
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Thank You
Since I saved this great post on the Wayback Machine, it remains intact to view all photos. See direct link for the great pictures:
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Re: The Model 1924b Yugoslavian Mauser rifle

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As of 4 June 2020 the forum switched to new format and all photos have been lost. Links work. However, it has been saved on the WAYBACK MACHINE and remain intact at that location. I have restored this post since so many use it. Each page can be searched out by its URL and is intact on the Wayback . Each page has to be searched by its individual URL

Just use the Wayback Machine. link https://archive.org/web/
If a post was saved by the author or a member that thought it important enough to save- it is archived.
Copy the SRF page "URL" and paste it into the Wayback Machine search/browse box. Hit search button and you will see new page with a year bar on the top and a calendar for that year appearing below the bar. Select the year and the calendar shows a highlighted circle for the correct save day on the calendar. Click on the highlighted circle and you see a box with Date snapshot and blue code . Click again on the blue code. All pictures & information in the post are present & intact.
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The Model 1924b Yugoslavian Mauser rifle
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Post by OldRifles » Thu May 14, 2020 7:22 pm

I was asked to make a post on this sub-variant of Yugoslav Mausers and realized that the background to these can spider-web off into many other directions, so bear with me...

Following the cessation of hostilities in WWI and the enforcement of the terms of the Treaty of Versailles (primarily arms reductions and limitations) in 1919, there was a large influx of available small arms and crew-served weapons on the international market. Newly independent and break-away countries like Poland, Finland, and the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes began to search for arms to equip their new armies and safeguard their independence. Germany was the best equipped country placed under the onerous terms of the treaty, and found itself in a position of having to liquidate stocks of arms. As such, the primary rifle, the Gewehr 98, became widely available worldwide.

While already a 'Mauser nation,' the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes (and the succeeding Kingdom of Yugoslavia) set about standardizing their rifle stores on the Model 1924 pattern starting in the very late 1920's. Mausers of widely varying types and even Model 1895 Mannlichers were shortened and updated to 7.92X57mm chambering and equipped with appropriate front and rear sight assemblies to accommodate the exterior ballistics of the newly adopted cartridge. The Gewehr 98s acquired went through the same process and were designated as 'Model 1924b' rifles. They used original Gewehr 98 stocks, barrel bands, trigger guards, floor plates and butt plates, and were stamped with new serial numbers that were originally matched on the right side of the receiver, the top of the bolt flat and the left side of the butt stock. Older German serial numbers and inspection stamps were left intact, including on the barrel bands and lower metal parts. These joined the growing stocks of original domestic production rifles and other converted types.

The top example (non-captured) in the photo of two rifles matches the pattern seen in serial numbering on other M1924b rifles. The three main components have the same number, while other parts retain their original WWI German numbers and stamps:
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Re: The Model 1924b Yugoslavian Mauser rifle

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by OldRifles » Thu May 14, 2020 7:25 pm

The original stamps on the butt stock and bolt were retained where they did not interfere with the application of new ones-
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Re: The Model 1924b Yugoslavian Mauser rifle

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by OldRifles » Thu May 14, 2020 7:33 pm

Like all arms in the country at the time of the April 1941 invasion, the Model 1924b rifles were seized by German forces and integrated into the depot and supply system as Beutewaffen, or captured arms. I summarized this process in Post #1 of this thread:
25&t=4072 Original
http://www.surplusrifleforum.org/viewto ... =25&t=4072

REPOST with photos see: http://www.surplusrifleforum.org/viewto ... =25&t=4194

My German captured/modified example is the lower of the two rifles shown above, and has an original Yugoslav sling. Following the typical indicators of German captured and modified rifles, this one has a blued bolt, matching numbered smaller components and a modified magazine follower. Note how a combination of stamped and acid etched numbers were used, depending on the part and availability of surface.
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Re: The Model 1924b Yugoslavian Mauser rifle

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by OldRifles » Thu May 14, 2020 7:35 pm

More photos of German numbered parts. The Germans also numbered the butt plate to match, but failing light kept me from being able to get a decent photo of it.
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Re: The Model 1924b Yugoslavian Mauser rifle

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by OldRifles » Thu May 14, 2020 7:39 pm

Surviving, pre-war Yugoslav slings are rare, so I was thrilled when I was able to get this rifle and the sling together. They're very unlike most other military slings, using a small steel keeper (instead of a button or tension buckle) and a sewn leather slider.
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Here is a new post of a 1924B on GB Fantastic photos:
https://www.gunboards.com/threads/new-y ... d.1205555/

:arrow: ;) mchome25's Photos of his rifle from above link:
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