M1868 Egyptian Rolling Block

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M1868 Egyptian Rolling Block

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DANG POSTED THIS IN THE WRONG SECTION..... :oops:

Typical Egyptian M1868 No 1 Remington Rolling Block. Finished in the white, well worn, marked several times. My reading has shown that only numbers not words were marked on these rifles by the Egyptians. Well the one marking is a word, the meaning of the word eludes me right now. I've reached out to a couple Arab speaking friends for help on it.

This rifle is from the second contract and has a rotary extractor versus bar retractor. Evident by the lack of the screw through the receiver, plus it doesn't have a hole for a screw so it doesn't take a slotted rotary extractor. Amazing how much you learn when you start looking for parts.

Waiting on the firing pin, firing pin retractor pin, rotary extractor, and barrel band screw. I'm thinking of just making a barrel band sling swivel. The old (Orginal) swivel is just about worn through on the back side and is about to fall off the barrel band, or just plain snap in two.

I think I lucked out with the bayonet. It's a WR Kirschbaum made and marked blade, the blade and quillion are both marked Star H in a shield. The Star H Shield mark is the Mutzig control mark, which leads to the bayonet being made/assembled in Germany. There are no spine markings at all that can be seen, either never had them or very well scrubbed.

Based on what I can find, it was a German made Remington Rolling Block bayonet, made for Egypt. All this due to markings and lack of markings....Can't speak as to whether that is 100% correct, but that is where my reading has led to.

Right now I have $470.00 total in it (That's for the rifle, bayonet and missing parts). Not bad considering what I see people asking, and what I've seen them sell for.

Last patent date listed on the tang is March 18th 1874, so from what I can tell it was made between 1874 and 1876, as the last delivery was supposedly in 1876.

Markings on the rifle.

١٣٩٣ Translates as 1393
٢٨٤٧ج Translates as C 2847
١٩١ Translate as 191
غ Translates as G
ح Translates as H
خءذب or خءزب Translates as ?

Plus the EP half moon (Date is worn off), supposedly the EP stands for Egyptian Protectorate or Egyptian Police.

Got my eyes on a Swedish M 1867/89 made by Carl Gustaf now. Getting sucked into the older milsurps now......
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Last of the pics....
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Now that is a neat old rifle!
To old to fight and to old to run, a Jar head will just shoot and be done with you.
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72 usmc wrote: Thu Feb 25, 2021 5:32 pm Now that is a neat old rifle!
Getting burnt out on Mausers and Mosin Nagants, these older guns are interesting to me, and have seen some serious history.
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What ammo does this fire? I assume a black powder cartridge of some sort?
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72 usmc wrote: Sat Feb 27, 2021 10:34 am What ammo does this fire? I assume a black powder cartridge of some sort?
Yes, 43 Egyptian aka 11.43x50R, here's two images found on the internet.
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To old to fight and to old to run, a Jar head will just shoot and be done with you.
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72 usmc wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 2:40 pm $6.82 a case :doh: :o :snooty:
https://www.rccbrass.com/product/11-43x50rmm-egyptian/
Yeah the parts to feed her is a bit pricey!

The commonly accepted history of these rifles are they went to the Egyptian Military initially, later they were passed on to the Egyptian Police, then passed on to Cadets. The Cadet part is a little vague, it could mean Police Cadets or Military Cadets. Whichever it was, the firing pins and extractors were removed from the rifles at that time.

It's assumed that when the rifles went to cadets, they were mostly used for training and drill purposes, hence why they were neutered!
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m1866 chassepot bayonets fit these rifles, you just have to loosen the adjustment screw at the top of the ring... they are identical to the original except for the arsenal markings and alot easier to find.
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84usmc wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 4:49 pm m1866 chassepot bayonets fit these rifles, you just have to loosen the adjustment screw at the top of the ring... they are identical to the original except for the arsenal markings and alot easier to find.
I got lucky with the bayonet, I found one for a Rolling Block, so it fit with no adjustments. But damn does the rifle have a reach with the bayonet installed. Could almost pole vault with it.....!
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